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Ellesy (talk) 02:09, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

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Hey, GILESFAN411. I understand your interest on identifying the episodes under the trope of being the seventh in a season or taking place on Buffy's birthday, but these are categories that both have been deleted before. It's no problem if you disagree, I'm open for discussion, but the trouble with these categories is that we cannot categorize the 254 different Buffy and Angel episodes (plus over 500 unique comic and prose stories) simply based on themes, which are often a personal perspective, a fanon concept, or even too few occurrences to be relevant as a category.

In the case of the category:seventh episodes, it is not an official descriptor, and therefore it would open to any fan to come and simply invent and add their own concept; for these commentaries, we have the "behind the scenes" section in each episode's article, where this interpretation on seventh episodes can be added if you like. In the case of the category:Buffy birthday episodes, there's already a separate article, Buffy Summers' birthday, which already has the function of describing and listing any content on her birthday, which are too few to categorize while being also redundant to the article itself. Nonetheless, thank you for your contribution.

Ellesy (talk) 14:04, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

But there indeed IS a thread, a common denominator between 7th & Buffy birthday episodes. The former reveals an element that has ramifications for the remainder of that season, or the show outright. The latter has the theme of all of Buffy's birthdays leading up to a disaster. So they have a right to their own categories because that they have each a thru-line running in them.--GILESFAN411 (talk) 22:21, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

I agree, they are both relevant information, that's why the article "Buffy Summers' birthday" already exists and the fanon concept for 7th episodes could be added to the behind the scenes section in each episode article. What I'm arguing is that this is not helpful in the form of categories. Accepting them as such would be opening the door to any number of subjective interpretations of what themes/events/concepts deserve a category (episodes with a spell, episodes with human deaths, episodes with sex scenes, episodes taking place in Sunnydale High, episode titles with only one word, bangel episodes...).
We don't have thematic category for episodes because they're counterproductive, involve more personal opinion than objective information. For now, we use organizational categories for episodes, only identifying its series and season. The more categories we have, the meaningless they become, and this is the current limit.
Ellesy (talk) 23:50, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
GILESFAN411, please be more cautious with creating categories. This tool is organizational, not descriptive. Adding "Joss Whedon" to "Mutant Enemy Productions" implies a necessity to repeat the member's list in the category section, which would be redundant and excessive. Adding "Joss Whedon" to "Numfar of the Deathwok Clan" implies that we create a category for each of the hundreds of actors in the series, instead of relying on the already existing list of roles in their articles. Using "Seidel's exiles" implies a necessity to categorize every relationship in the series, such as "Xander's exes", "Darla's victims", "Jenny's students", "Wesley's acquaintances"... In addition, none of these could even have a parental category, they don't fit in this wiki's organization. I'll be removing the categories mentioned, so I hope we have an understanding. Nonetheless, thank you for your contribution.
Ellesy (talk) 06:16, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
GILESFAN411, you just created the categories "Talamour" and "Talamour hosts", openly ignoring my messages above on this exact problem. It's aggravating that you've been acting this same way with unwanted categories in all four wikis listed in your profile. From now on, if you have a category suggestion that meets this wiki style, only suggest, without making someone else undo them. You are welcome to contribute to this wiki in other ways, but only if you choose to abide to its policies. Consider this you last warning on this matter.
Ellesy (talk) 18:42, May 3, 2020 (UTC)
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